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The Legend of Berwick on Tweed
Posted by: jon (---.abel.net.uk)
Date: November 12, 2002 12:48PM
<HTML>I found this on the web:
"The one thing everybody knows about Berwick is that it is still at war with Russia.
According to the legend, this began because Berwick, being officially of the kingdom of England, but not in it, was always mentioned separately in laws and proclamations. The Crimean War was declared on behalf of Britain and Berwick, but, so the story still goes, the Peace of Paris in 1856 missed out Berwick.
'Peterborough' in The Daily Telgraph in December 1935 recorded it was in October 1914 that the British Foreign Office hastily signed a peace treaty with Tsarist Russia tidying up this oversight. Unfortunately this was not true, the Foreign Office consulted in the 1930s and in 1965 could find no trace of this 'treaty.' Also, the documents relating to the declaration and peace do not separately mention Berwick, because by the Wales and Berwick Act of 1746 all references to England in Acts of Parliament were deemed to include Berwick, and Wales.
But the story still persists, as only a good urban legend can, and Berwickers would not have it any other way."
Can it be that the Crimean War really did last 132 years, and when times were put back in joint the ChronoGuard forgot to erase the memories of people in Berwick? I think we should be told.</HTML>
"The one thing everybody knows about Berwick is that it is still at war with Russia.
According to the legend, this began because Berwick, being officially of the kingdom of England, but not in it, was always mentioned separately in laws and proclamations. The Crimean War was declared on behalf of Britain and Berwick, but, so the story still goes, the Peace of Paris in 1856 missed out Berwick.
'Peterborough' in The Daily Telgraph in December 1935 recorded it was in October 1914 that the British Foreign Office hastily signed a peace treaty with Tsarist Russia tidying up this oversight. Unfortunately this was not true, the Foreign Office consulted in the 1930s and in 1965 could find no trace of this 'treaty.' Also, the documents relating to the declaration and peace do not separately mention Berwick, because by the Wales and Berwick Act of 1746 all references to England in Acts of Parliament were deemed to include Berwick, and Wales.
But the story still persists, as only a good urban legend can, and Berwickers would not have it any other way."
Can it be that the Crimean War really did last 132 years, and when times were put back in joint the ChronoGuard forgot to erase the memories of people in Berwick? I think we should be told.</HTML>
Re: The Legend of Berwick on Tweed
Posted by: ScarletBea (---.be.jnj.com)
Date: November 12, 2002 01:21PM
<HTML>LOL
Is this true?????</HTML>
Is this true?????</HTML>
Re: The Legend of Berwick on Tweed
Posted by: jon (---.abel.net.uk)
Date: November 12, 2002 02:57PM
<HTML>All things are true, for a given value of "truth". In this case, it is entirely true that many people believe the tale about Berwick on Tweed having been at war with Russia since 1853, but as the above story (taken from the Berwick History Society's website) states, it doesn't appear to be true in the sense of it actually ever happening.
Still, from a Nextian perspective, it's a good story, isn't it?</HTML>
Still, from a Nextian perspective, it's a good story, isn't it?</HTML>
Re: The Legend of Berwick on Tweed
Posted by: dave (212.158.104.---)
Date: November 12, 2002 03:36PM
<HTML>Have you been reading the new Terry Pratchett jon? (for a given value of 'jon')</HTML>
Re: The Legend of Berwick on Tweed
Posted by: jon (---.abel.net.uk)
Date: November 12, 2002 03:47PM
<HTML>er...yes, I have, but Terry has used this phrase before, I believe. (I found Night Watch rather disappointing, I must say. Not much fun and a lot of deja vu. More jokes next time.)</HTML>
Re: The Legend of Berwick on Tweed
Posted by: poetscientistdrinker (---.cache.pol.co.uk)
Date: November 12, 2002 11:40PM
<HTML>Is this a little bit like Chester, where it's supposed to be legal to shoot a Welshman after four on a Sunday afternoon, if there's a light drizzle and he's on the other side of the river wearing a red hat?
Or Evesham, where everybody who's drunk is supposed to be outside the town gates by sunset (not actually a problem as we melted them for scrap years ago, and people can just wonder back when they feel like it)</HTML>
Or Evesham, where everybody who's drunk is supposed to be outside the town gates by sunset (not actually a problem as we melted them for scrap years ago, and people can just wonder back when they feel like it)</HTML>
Um, Hello
Posted by: Woolly Hat (---.cache.pol.co.uk)
Date: November 12, 2002 11:58PM
<HTML>Hello one & all,
Have been keen observer of Fforum for a while now, and have wanted to 'chip in', wasn't quite sure where to start chipping...so just thought I'd say 'Hello, I'm here'. There you go, that's me officially here then. Excellent.</HTML>
Have been keen observer of Fforum for a while now, and have wanted to 'chip in', wasn't quite sure where to start chipping...so just thought I'd say 'Hello, I'm here'. There you go, that's me officially here then. Excellent.</HTML>
Re: Um, Hello
Posted by: poetscientistdrinker (---.cache.pol.co.uk)
Date: November 13, 2002 12:19AM
<HTML>*forms a quick welcoming commitee of, er, one*
Hello! Always nice to see a new name, especially if they've overcokme shyness!
not sure there's any kind of official ceremony though, although feel free to invent one involving strange hats or something...</HTML>
Hello! Always nice to see a new name, especially if they've overcokme shyness!
not sure there's any kind of official ceremony though, although feel free to invent one involving strange hats or something...</HTML>
Re: Um, Hello
Posted by: poetscientistdrinker (---.cache.pol.co.uk)
Date: November 13, 2002 12:22AM
<HTML>I'm sure that 'all' will be along later...</HTML>
Re: Um, Hello
Posted by: Anne (---.dc1-cache2.syd.dav.net.au)
Date: November 13, 2002 12:23AM
<HTML>Hello Woolly Hat! Love the name! I will get the bad jokes out of the way (I have a reputation as a complete dag to uphold!) and ask about your brothers Bowler, Slouch and Ten Gallon!</HTML>
Re: Um, Hello
Posted by: poetscientistdrinker (---.cache.pol.co.uk)
Date: November 13, 2002 12:34AM
<HTML>Told you that 'All' would be along in a moment.
Woolly - are you Badly Drawn Boy's comedy beanie stretching out and forming your own career here on the Fforum?</HTML>
Woolly - are you Badly Drawn Boy's comedy beanie stretching out and forming your own career here on the Fforum?</HTML>
Re: Um, Hello
Posted by: poetscientistdrinker (---.cache.pol.co.uk)
Date: November 13, 2002 12:35AM
<HTML>Told you that 'All' would be along in a moment.
Woolly - are you Badly Drawn Boy's comedy beanie stretching out and forming your own career here on the Fforum?</HTML>
Woolly - are you Badly Drawn Boy's comedy beanie stretching out and forming your own career here on the Fforum?</HTML>
Re: Um, Hello
Posted by: poetscientistdrinker (---.cache.pol.co.uk)
Date: November 13, 2002 12:36AM
<HTML>if so - I always thought you were the talented one</HTML>
Re: Um, Hello
Posted by: ScarletBea (---.be.jnj.com)
Date: November 13, 2002 08:20AM
<HTML>*joins the commitee*
ta da!!!!
Welcome Wooly Hat!!!!
Have fun, I'm sure you'll fit in as we're all kinda...hmmm... crazy ;)
And love jasper's books!</HTML>
ta da!!!!
Welcome Wooly Hat!!!!
Have fun, I'm sure you'll fit in as we're all kinda...hmmm... crazy ;)
And love jasper's books!</HTML>
Re: Um, Hello
Posted by: Ooktavia (---.nv.iinet.net.au)
Date: November 13, 2002 12:07PM
<HTML>I'm no longer allowed to be in a committee since the last one I was on ended up all having to be commited themselves, but anyway, I'd like to say to his Wooliness, welcome!</HTML>
Re: Um, Hello
Posted by: dave (212.158.104.---)
Date: November 13, 2002 12:34PM
<HTML>And indeed, hello from another Nextian. Nice hat. Not sure about the pompoms, but heck, each to their own....
;-)</HTML>
;-)</HTML>
Re: Um, Hello
Posted by: dave (212.158.104.---)
Date: November 13, 2002 12:37PM
<HTML>and on the topic of Pratchett's latest work (it's in this thread somewhere, you'll just have to look..), I quite enjoyed it. Interesting insight into Vetinari.
for example where he's discussing his concealment class with his aunt...
aunt: 'you never attended concealment class'
vetinari: 'i did, religiously'
aunt: 'your teacher said he never saw you'
vetinari: 'your point being?'
admittedly, the gems are fewer than in previous tomes, but I did think it was a better plot...
Feel free to disagree.</HTML>
for example where he's discussing his concealment class with his aunt...
aunt: 'you never attended concealment class'
vetinari: 'i did, religiously'
aunt: 'your teacher said he never saw you'
vetinari: 'your point being?'
admittedly, the gems are fewer than in previous tomes, but I did think it was a better plot...
Feel free to disagree.</HTML>
Re: Um, Hello
Posted by: jon brierley (---.abel.net.uk)
Date: November 13, 2002 01:26PM
<HTML>Indeed, hello to all persons of a woolly nature. We're a friendly bunch and only eat people occasionally.
Dave; in re Night Watch I will defer final judgement until I've read it again (my dad's got it at the minute). But can I point out that the concealment gag is essentially the same as the one about Mycroft's memory erasure device.
Dave; in re Night Watch I will defer final judgement until I've read it again (my dad's got it at the minute). But can I point out that the concealment gag is essentially the same as the one about Mycroft's memory erasure device.
(and so on)</HTML>
Dave; in re Night Watch I will defer final judgement until I've read it again (my dad's got it at the minute). But can I point out that the concealment gag is essentially the same as the one about Mycroft's memory erasure device.
Dave; in re Night Watch I will defer final judgement until I've read it again (my dad's got it at the minute). But can I point out that the concealment gag is essentially the same as the one about Mycroft's memory erasure device.
(and so on)</HTML>
Re: Um, Hello
Posted by: dave (212.158.104.---)
Date: November 13, 2002 01:55PM
<HTML>remind me how the memory erasure thing goes (frantically tries to remember which book it's in...)</HTML>
Re: Forgetting
Posted by: jon brierley (---.abel.net.uk)
Date: November 13, 2002 03:12PM
<HTML>It's actually in both books.
TN1:
Thurs; what happened to that memory erasure device you were working on?
Mycroft: what memory erasure device?
TN2:
Polly: did he show you the memory erasure device?
Thurs: No, he didn't.
Mycroft: Yes I did.
(IIRC)</HTML>
TN1:
Thurs; what happened to that memory erasure device you were working on?
Mycroft: what memory erasure device?
TN2:
Polly: did he show you the memory erasure device?
Thurs: No, he didn't.
Mycroft: Yes I did.
(IIRC)</HTML>
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