True, but at least you've something heavy to hand to bang against your head to relieve the boredom...



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When reading the Clan of the cave bear books I kept waiting for the wheel to be invented , the main character seems to have single handedly invented/discovered everything else

I have a pet theory about the invention of the wheel.

I think it was invented by a woman who had a bad back from being expected to do all the donkey work. In fact I wrote a short story about it; I called her Yagg, and the story was called "Yagg's Gadget". She gets the idea because the men have cut a lot of round wooden sections from a tree trunk and knocked holes in the middle ready to make them into shields (you obviously need somewhere to put the boss).

The men in the tribe think it's completely unnatural at first. Then they suddenly get the idea of war chariots. Then they take the credit for it.

I very rarely go into sniping-feminist mode, but you know, it's all so horribly plausible!



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I need somewhere to put the boss. And slap in the middle of a shield that's about to be charged at by berserk stone-age warriors is just fine by me.



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I just knew someone was going to crack that kind of joke, but my word, you did it with style... :-D



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Heheh.

Actually, I'm sure Ayla will have invented the wheel at some point. I can also see her inventing the computer, internet and mobile telephones by the end of book five.

Roll on the first millenium.

(100,000 BC?)



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LOL!

You mean she hasn't?

So the cave paintings weren't her projecting them with a laptop Powerpoint presentation?

Okay, I've read 37 of them, have 3 and just haven't gotten to them yet(so many books, so little time) and have seen the movie for most of the rest.

I read Kane & Abel and Ulysses but must confess, couldn't get thru Wuthering Heights. I just can't like Heathcliff!!

There are so many books that I would put on my own top 100! Like I said, too many books, so little time!



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Healthcliff? That's a clinic in Keighley, isn't it?



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Oops. I clearly can't spell. I did say I didn't like him. Mental block on spelling his name correctly.

I've read 58. The list is a bit skewed to include current teenage tastes, so it probably shows that I often read what my daughter brings home from the library. Thirteen of the titles have either been so boring, or contain too much sex for me to persevere. I've heard loads as radio adaptations on R4

Welcome to the fforum - and what a great sig too!

Radio Four would drag my number up by a fair few as well, I'd guess. Doesn't seem right though...



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Welcome to the fforum.
Do you have any cats (or vice versa)?

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"This was willed where what is willed... can get rather silly."

Not Powerpoint, no. She's a woman - no software she could invent would be as screwed up as Microsoft Office...

And welcome also. We're not all as mad as we seem, just some of use are.



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*Mental head slap*

Of course how could I forget something so obvious

Sarah B - hate to say, but a couple of my exes are twisted and vindictive enough to have come up with Microsoft products...



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Yay, another Bulgakov fan. I'm sorry I overlooked this post earlier, I was introduced to this book by a russian friend who gave me my nickname. Anyway I found 'The Master and Magarita' a revelation. I will always have an admiration for Behemoth.

I did need some notes on my translation though, did you feel that all the references were clear in yours?

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Ben - in the hope that you might buy them?



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Well the translation I originally read was the Michael Glenny version, published by Harvill -- I found it a real pleasure to read, but yes, any tranlsation that uses such eloquent, colloquial English is obviously not translating the original precisely in every way. I think I picked up on most of the allusions, but then you always think that, don't you?

(The first time I read the Eyre affair, I was very pleased with myself for noticing 'all' the clever (and silly) literary references. I've since re-read it several times, and notice dozens of new ones every time. And jon's 'Notes for the non-Brit reader' pointed out loads more that I had missed -- though I'm not a non-Brit.)

Anyway, yes the Master and Margarita is a truly extraordinary book, and one of my all-time favourites -- hae you read any of his other stuff? It's really quite different -- much more serious, and more what you'd expect of a 'Russian Novel'. I'm currently reading 'The White Guard' which is enjoyable, but very dark and depressing compared to the M&M.



Jesus saves; Buddha does incremental backup.

Snap, I read the same translation, and very good it is too :) If you would ever like to read some of the notes I was given (mostly relating to institutions and customs of the time) I would be happy to forward them, once I've found where I stored them!

I did try to read 'The White Guard', but I found it a little more difficult mainly because I was trying to remind myself of the political and social problems in that era. I gave up after a few chapters. I'd like to think I'll try again at some point, but I thought that about Proust too lol. Come to think of it I thought that about 'Crime and Punishment' as well <sigh>

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