Who is your all time top villain? Mine might be.... (fictional of course) someone along the lines of one of the the Dark's people in Susan Cooper's The Dark is Rising, or perhaps one of Joan Aiken's villains. I think it is a hard choice to be honest, what with so many good villains in fiction.

First thought :

Jesus of Nazareth


then I thought:

Which fictional villain has the best rationale for being against the system? That is, why are they opposed to the way of life considered normal in the stories in which they exist?

I'll need to think about it.

We could have all kinds of categories! Like the most charismatic villain, most hated, villains to fall for, villains who just should get a new job... Hades has to be one of the most charismatic, I think.

There's a certain fanged lad from Romania who'll always be my favourite.

Didn't we do this before?

Someone suggested Rowling for killing off all the happy in Harry Potter....

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'We're all mad here. I'm mad, you're mad." [said the Cat.]
"How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice.
"You must be," said the Cat, "Or you wouldn't have come here."
- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures In Wonderland

I'm talking fictional villains! Like Havelock in the new Catherine Webb book I'm reading just now, titled The Doomsday Machine: another astounding adventure of Horatio Lyle.

Gandalf!

He conspired with others to destroy Sauron's ring, rather than return it to it's rightful owner and interfered in the internal politics of any land which didn't fit in with his world view.



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Bibwit: Old thread

Somehow it lead to a game of Mornington Crescent.

Skids: You know what they say about finders-keepers....

Also from Tolkien, I would suggest Feanor. He killed his own kin (lots of them), lead his people away from paradise in search of some jewels that he had made (the Silmaril), when he was defeated he swore an oath that ended up killing all of his sons and he plunged his people into a fairly hopeless war over the jewels.

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'We're all mad here. I'm mad, you're mad." [said the Cat.]
"How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice.
"You must be," said the Cat, "Or you wouldn't have come here."
- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures In Wonderland

Talking of disrupting local status quo - not them, they belong in ear worm or worse - you can't go far past the StarGate Franchise.

SG1 almost single-handedly destroyed at least three entire cultures (Go'uld, Replicators, and Ori). Destroying belief systems left, right and centre.

Atlantis - they are working on destroying a culture or nomadic hunter-gatherers. All because they don't approve of their harvesting methods that are the corner-stone of society as the wraith know it.

I do know what they say about finders-keeps. Theft is still theft even if it is committed by omission.

(And I don't believe the "it was overpriced so I am allowed to steal it" argument either)

I never trusted Merlin, either.

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My computer beat me at chess, but I won at kickboxing

He was shifty.





If this exact thread has been done before, we could always do a version of name that fruit- see how many different fruits we can name without repeating...



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Combine them: who is your favourite fruit villian?

All the veggie-tales crew.


Don't turn you back on them, whatever you do.

Appleman. Sometime Arch-Enemy to Bananaman. Who, of course, isn't a fruit superhero, he's a shrub superhero.

Ever alert for the call for action...

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That statement is either so deep it would take a lifetime to fully comprehend every particle of its meaning, or it is a load of absolute tosh. Which is it, I wonder?
Terry Pratchett, Hogfather

My favourite vegie villain ould have to be that sexy devil zucchini!

Ever heard about Zwetschgenmännchen? Made from prunes (and sometimes some figs) as a chistmas treat.

I think you can imagine what they are treating.

I have a gut feeling that it is ...................



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.....Umm, sticky?????

Would sproutboy be an anti-hero? I mean, they are good for you, but most people do not like them....

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'We're all mad here. I'm mad, you're mad." [said the Cat.]
"How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice.
"You must be," said the Cat, "Or you wouldn't have come here."
- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures In Wonderland

What about cooked lightly in wine with fresh season chestnuts?