I want a knitting pattern for the klein bottle hat!!!

Here ya go! [www.toroidalsnark.net] (One of many, many patterns out there, but sarah-marie belcastro is awesome.)

As I always seem to manage to derail the thread, I'll re-rail it with another question:

16) Can it be considered a tool?

17) Was it invented after 1950?

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/30/2010 06:26AM by Bonzai Kitten.

0) It is mineral.New Year addition: some have been made in other materials, including animal and vegetable
1) Is it electrical? No
2) Is it bigger than a Klein bottle? No, absolutely not
3) Is it smaller than the PicoCrumbox (which is about the size of the average pack of 20 (Yuck! Blech! Yucky!) cigarettes?) Not usually.
4) Is it a household object? Not usually.
5) Can you buy it in a supermarket? No (at least I would not expect to be able to buy one in a U.K. supermarket)
6) Does it have moving parts? No
7) Does it contain significant amounts of metal? Using your description, yes, using mine , no
8) Is it manufactured? Yes.
9) Does it normally fall into the category of "tool"? Yes, guardedly
10)Is it bigger than an cake that measures 1 meter cubed? Not usually
11)Is it mostly made of plastic? Not usually (but no reason why not -remember that I class oil based products as "vegetable")
12)Do you think it likely that Jasper would have used one in the last month? No
13)Would you expect a 12 year old to own one? No, but there is no reason why not.
??)Is it disposable? Isn't everything, ultimately? On balance, No (taking extended version of question strongly "No")
14)Can it be described as "flat"? No
15)Do you own one? No
16) Can it be considered a tool? Yes, I suppose so
17) Was it invented after 1950? No (1882 in fact)



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As amassive clue. MS is very close to the answer without actually asking the right question

18) Is it an iron?

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0) It is mineral.New Year addition: some have been made in other materials, including animal and vegetable
1) Is it electrical? No
2) Is it bigger than a Klein bottle? No, absolutely not
3) Is it smaller than the PicoCrumbox (which is about the size of the average pack of 20 (Yuck! Blech! Yucky!) cigarettes?) Not usually.
4) Is it a household object? Not usually.
5) Can you buy it in a supermarket? No (at least I would not expect to be able to buy one in a U.K. supermarket)
6) Does it have moving parts? No
7) Does it contain significant amounts of metal? Using your description, yes, using mine , no
8) Is it manufactured? Yes.
9) Does it normally fall into the category of "tool"? Yes, guardedly
10)Is it bigger than an cake that measures 1 meter cubed? Not usually
11)Is it mostly made of plastic? Not usually (but no reason why not -remember that I class oil based products as "vegetable")
12)Do you think it likely that Jasper would have used one in the last month? No
13)Would you expect a 12 year old to own one? No, but there is no reason why not.
??)Is it disposable? Isn't everything, ultimately? On balance, No (taking extended version of question strongly "No")
14)Can it be described as "flat"? No
15)Do you own one? No
16) Can it be considered a tool? Yes, I suppose so
17) Was it invented after 1950? No (1882 in fact)
18) Is it an iron? No

1. <I just Googled "Invented 1882">
2. <Bleedin' Heck!>

well as Christmas tree lights and the electric fan are both electrical (see answer 2) it is not them!

The only other thing I find that was invented in 1882 is the figure skating jump 'Axel', but I can't get it to fit all of the descriptions above, so I suppose this is not my guess...

By the way, is a figure skating jump animal, vegetable or mineral? Or just abstract?

Correction: I find several other things invented in 1882, but nothing that fits. Most of them are predominantly vegetable or contain significant amounts of metal.

If you Google "invented in 1882" now, you just get sent back to MC's post.

I wonder, in a "not actually asking question 19" type way if this may be some sort of clue?

LOL

I just KNEW this was an infinite circle, I just knew it...

I googled just "1882" and got quite a number of things that are electrical inventions. Nothing else that even remotely fit. Then my brain got tired and took a nap.

Tried other search parameters just now. This one struck me as funny: "Wood block alarm invented, when alarm rang, it dropped 20 wood blocks" - moving parts, so excluded.

Full metal bullets don't fit, they are too small.
"Bob Ford assassinates Jesse James, legendary outlaw." - mm, no.
"Schuyler Wheeler of Massachusetts invented the two-blade electric fan. Henry W. Seely of New York invented the electric safety iron." - nope.
"Wimshurst machine, the two insulated discs and their metal sectors rotate..." cool, but no.
"blow torch (US), or blowlamp (UK) is a tool for applying ... flame" - nope, can't make that out of animal or plastic...
"a camera that circulated twelve times per second and allowed for twelve exposures" REALLY cool, but no...
"The first Grinnell sprinkler was invented in 1882" - nope, moving parts, right?.

Darn. Time for another nap...

This one of the typical cases where googling from a different country and in a different language will bring completely divergent results.

Here's the german-language hit list of things that don't fit:
- description of the tubercle bazillus by Robert Koch
- Invention of the Strandkorb
- Opening of the Gotthard rail tunnel
- Construction of the legume roasting pan for Julius Maggi's instant soup
- Presentation of the first trolleybus "Elektromote"
- Invention of the adhesive bandage "Leukoplast"
- Start of industrial production of "Plauen lace" (crotcheted on a tulle netting)
- Patent for the halftone reproduction process for photographs

<suggests in a not-quite-answering a not-quite question sort of way that Geg may be onto something - or not>

not quite questions 18b - 18p (all of VM & PH are fine not-quite-answers, but wrong.) Being a particular fan of the Gotthard rail tunnel I wish it was right.
Think back to one of Muse Susan's favourite things (in this or a virtual world.)

I am now wondering if it might actually BE a Klein bottle, given that in all the discussion of comparing sizes we never actually asked this right out. In fact the more I think about it, the more it seems to fit…

In fact, I've just looked on Wikipedia which says that Felix Klein first described the Klein bottle in… 1882! With that in mind, I will ask:

Could it possibly be the suject of this limerick?
A mathematician named Klein
Thought the Möbius strip was divine.
Said he, "If you glue
The edges of two,
You'll get a weird bottle like mine!"

Lol, that'd be hilariously cruel beyond words... Almost as bad as a breadbox!

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Looking again at answer #2:

2) Is it bigger than a Klein bottle? No, absolutely not

I wonder if I could kick myself in the rear with a pair of Klein Boots?

It is MuseSusan's turn!

Cruel, me?

"Cruel, me?"

Yes.

Oh, sorry, was that rhetorical?

Excellent unknown object!