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Re: This is all Dante's fault
Posted by: Magda (---.med.umich.edu)
Date: July 15, 2003 05:03PM

I've heard about George Rogers Clark mainly from a rather good song by filksinger Michael Longcor, a native of Indiana and member of the SCA (as Duke Moonwulf Staarkadderson) about the battle at Fort Sackville.



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Re: This is all Dante's fault
Posted by: Guy (---.in-addr.btopenworld.com)
Date: July 15, 2003 05:30PM

Never managed to trace my ancestors very far back with any accuracy (it all goes a bit muddy before my great grandparents) but by a bizarre coincidence three of my four grandparents were ultimately -- if you go back far enough, i.e. to the sixteenth century -- from border reiver families. (The reivers were part-time bandits and cattle rustlers living on either side of the Scots-English border.)

Paternal grandmother -- a Gordon (lowland branch of the clan -- Scots reivers)
Paternal grandfather -- a Forster (English reivers, from Northumberland)
Maternal grandfather -- an Elliot (Scots reivers again -- the Elliots were one of the clans -- along, famously, with the Doones -- who moved en masse to the West Country in the seventeenth century)

So that's a bit odd -- my family are almost all from the West Country or from London, but my roots appear to be in the Borders.

The Puddicombes (my maternal grandmother's family) have always been from Devon though. You couldn't really come from anywhere else with a name like that!



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Re: This is all Dante's fault
Posted by: dante (---.internal.omneuk.com)
Date: July 15, 2003 09:19PM

I think I've been to Conwy castle. Can't remember much about it, though.

I've never tried to trace my family tree...might be interesting, but not as far as I know at the moment!



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Re: This is all Dante's fault
Posted by: Sarah B (---.cable.ubr06.dudl.blueyonder.co.uk)
Date: July 15, 2003 09:22PM

I once tried to trace my family tree, but do you have any idea how many Butlers there are around? It's just not practical...



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Re: This is all Dante's fault
Posted by: Skiffle (---.cache.pol.co.uk)
Date: July 15, 2003 11:21PM

My Dad's cousin's daughter has been doing some work tracing their family tree - that's the Taylor's, and I bet there's a few more of those than there are Butler's !

I don't know much about what she's found out, but I have learnt that I had a Great-Uncle Harvey who was the family black sheep. He was a footloose alcoholic, who showed up now and again, usually with a different woman each time. He worked as a rag and bone man and died when he was run over by a car - quite a novelty for Rochdale in the early 50's.

Re: This is all Dante's fault
Posted by: Anonymous User (---.dalect01.va.comcast.net)
Date: July 15, 2003 11:30PM

Sarah B...try being a Davis!! But thankfully, we've had some pretty good documentation, and a husband who is a good bloodhound.

Re: This is all Dante's fault
Posted by: Simon (---.westsussex.gov.uk)
Date: July 16, 2003 02:43PM

Here are the ancestral surnames identified in what little I know of my family tree, so far, just in case there's any possibly-detectable overlap with other contributors' ancestries: Reeve (less common than Reeves, which actually has a different origin... My grandfather moved to London from Iver, in Buckinghamshire, but an earlier connection with East Anglia is thought to have existed), Cooper (a very abundant surname...), Rodmell (presumably from the Sussex village of the same name, originally, and quite rare), Temple (from Scotland, presumably originating in one or another of the estates formerly owned by the Knights Templar), Willson (Yes, with 2 'l's; probably from Scotland too, but maybe from [northern?] Ireland instead), White (another very common name, in this case from a family that's lived in & around Battle [in Sussex] for quite a few generations: We aren't actually in touch, but I know that some of them are still there...).

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Re: This is all Dante's fault
Posted by: Tracy (---.hyperion.com)
Date: July 16, 2003 09:02PM

Try tracing "Smith". There are just a few floating around.

Re: This is all Dante's fault
Posted by: splat21 (---.in-addr.btopenworld.com)
Date: July 16, 2003 10:58PM

You too eh? Mind you I've got the odd border reiver hanging around too (literally, sadly! We're crap horse thieves in my family...)



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Re: This is all Dante's fault
Posted by: poetscientistdrinker (---.cache.pol.co.uk)
Date: July 16, 2003 11:07PM

Ah, kept making the mistake of stealing the slow horses, huh?



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Re: This is all Dante's fault
Posted by: splat21 (---.in-addr.btopenworld.com)
Date: July 16, 2003 11:25PM

Three legged, I think. Famed for intellect, in my family (not!)



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Re: This is all Dante's fault
Posted by: Tracy (---.hyperion.com)
Date: July 17, 2003 02:26PM

Imagine the problems in my ancestry.... a priest and a witch in the same family, same generation.

Re: This is all Dante's fault
Posted by: jon (---.abel.net.uk)
Date: July 17, 2003 02:40PM

Well, so as they didn't both live in Salem, Mass. (Or Sunnydale, Ca.)



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Re: This is all Dante's fault
Posted by: Tracy (---.hyperion.com)
Date: July 17, 2003 02:57PM

Both started in Ireland. One had to leave unexpectedly. Ended up getting burned at the stake anyway here in lovely Connecticut.

Re: This is all Dante's fault
Posted by: Sarah (---.in-addr.btopenworld.com)
Date: July 17, 2003 04:56PM

And that was just the priest... ;-)



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Re: This is all Dante's fault
Posted by: Ptolemy (---.range217-44.btcentralplus.com)
Date: July 17, 2003 05:06PM

Ha haa, good one Sarah!

Nobody famous or notorious in my family (that I know of anyway), although my (Irish) paternal Grandfather was engaged as a cook on the Luisitania but got into a drunken brawl and missed it sailing - good job really since it was torpedoed and I wouldn't be here if he hadn't (OK OK so it's debatable whether that's good or not, particularly if you subscribe to the duck thread...)

Re: This is all Dante's fault
Posted by: Anonymous User (---.dalect01.va.comcast.net)
Date: July 17, 2003 05:08PM

Geez, beat me to the punch there, Ptolemy!! It's no fun when you bust on yourself before someone else can do it! LOL

Re: This is all Dante's fault
Posted by: Ptolemy (---.range217-44.btcentralplus.com)
Date: July 17, 2003 05:24PM

LOL - no problem, Cutie! I've had years of experience at ducking my own puns

(and you have no idea how many times I had to read THAT back to myself to make sure I'd typed it correctly!)

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