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Re: Animal, Vegetable or Mineral?
Posted by: geg (---.15-2.cable.virginmedia.com)
Date: September 06, 2010 09:07AM

17) Is it worn on the head?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/06/2010 09:16AM by geg.

Re: Animal, Vegetable or Mineral?
Posted by: EgonSpengler (---.is.nottingham.ac.uk)
Date: September 06, 2010 10:10AM

00) May be of vegetable or animal origin. May have some small mineral content.
01) Does it smell? No.
02) Is it a sliced loaf? No.
03) Is it edible? No.
04) IS it bigger than a breadbox? Some yes, some no.
05) Would Mrs Edith Gumbridge (Housewife, Retired, of Swinestown) be surprised to find her nine year old niece Maggie had brought one home from school in her schoolbag? Definitely yes.
06) Is it found in nature? No.
07) Do they have moving parts? I would say yes.
08) Does it make noise during normal use? No.
09) Does one wear it (on the body)? Yes.
10) Item of clothing? No.
11) A bag or pack or some sort? No.
12) Would I expect to see more people wearing it here in New Zealand than in a small Welsh village? No.
13) Is it jewelry/decorative? No, used in the line of work.
14) Does it contain paper? I would imagine not.
15) Is it more likely to be worn by males? In the beginning yes, and probably still now.
16) Is it a harness of some sort? No.
17) Is it worn on the head? Yes.

Re: Animal, Vegetable or Mineral?
Posted by: BibwitHart (---.VIC.netspace.net.au)
Date: September 06, 2010 10:43AM

Is it a hat? (am picturing a cowboy hat right now).

Re: Animal, Vegetable or Mineral?
Posted by: EgonSpengler (---.is.nottingham.ac.uk)
Date: September 06, 2010 10:52AM

00) May be of vegetable or animal origin. May have some small mineral content.
01) Does it smell? No.
02) Is it a sliced loaf? No.
03) Is it edible? No.
04) IS it bigger than a breadbox? Some yes, some no.
05) Would Mrs Edith Gumbridge (Housewife, Retired, of Swinestown) be surprised to find her nine year old niece Maggie had brought one home from school in her schoolbag? Definitely yes.
06) Is it found in nature? No.
07) Do they have moving parts? I would say yes.
08) Does it make noise during normal use? No.
09) Does one wear it (on the body)? Yes.
10) Item of clothing? No.
11) A bag or pack or some sort? No.
12) Would I expect to see more people wearing it here in New Zealand than in a small Welsh village? No.
13) Is it jewelry/decorative? No, used in the line of work.
14) Does it contain paper? I would imagine not.
15) Is it more likely to be worn by males? In the beginning yes, and probably still now.
16) Is it a harness of some sort? No.
17) Is it worn on the head? Yes.
18) Is it a hat? No.

Re: Animal, Vegetable or Mineral?
Posted by: delacuesta (---.adsl.xs4all.nl)
Date: September 06, 2010 08:56PM

What does one wear on one's head that isn't a hat, nor a piece of clothing, nor a protective kind of thing?
We can (for various reasons) rule out glasses, hair, lice, earphones.

It is vegetable/animal and smaller/larger than a breadbox, has moving parts and is used in the line of work, primarily male...

And we have only two questions left.

ehm...

Is it used to designate one's function or importance?

Re: Animal, Vegetable or Mineral?
Posted by: geg (---.15-2.cable.virginmedia.com)
Date: September 06, 2010 09:04PM

I don't think we ruled out "protective" did we?

Re: Animal, Vegetable or Mineral?
Posted by: EgonSpengler (---.zone6.bethere.co.uk)
Date: September 06, 2010 09:15PM

Gosh, I'm feeling guilty. At first I thought I was being smart...

00) May be of vegetable or animal origin. May have some small mineral content.
01) Does it smell? No.
02) Is it a sliced loaf? No.
03) Is it edible? No.
04) IS it bigger than a breadbox? Some yes, some no.
05) Would Mrs Edith Gumbridge (Housewife, Retired, of Swinestown) be surprised to find her nine year old niece Maggie had brought one home from school in her schoolbag? Definitely yes.
06) Is it found in nature? No.
07) Do they have moving parts? I would say yes.
08) Does it make noise during normal use? No.
09) Does one wear it (on the body)? Yes.
10) Item of clothing? No.
11) A bag or pack or some sort? No.
12) Would I expect to see more people wearing it here in New Zealand than in a small Welsh village? No.
13) Is it jewelry/decorative? No, used in the line of work.
14) Does it contain paper? I would imagine not.
15) Is it more likely to be worn by males? In the beginning yes, and probably still now.
16) Is it a harness of some sort? No.
17) Is it worn on the head? Yes.
18) Is it a hat? No.
19) Is it used to designate one's function or importance? No.

Re: Animal, Vegetable or Mineral?
Posted by: delacuesta (---.adsl.xs4all.nl)
Date: September 06, 2010 09:19PM

geg Wrote:
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> I don't think we ruled out "protective" did we?

16) Is it a harness of some sort? No.

I took this to imply helmets and the like. I may have jumped to conclusions though.

Re: Animal, Vegetable or Mineral?
Posted by: EgonSpengler (---.zone6.bethere.co.uk)
Date: September 06, 2010 09:55PM

Hint: Think entertainment.

Re: Animal, Vegetable or Mineral?
Posted by: MuseSusan (---.nycap.res.rr.com)
Date: September 07, 2010 07:04AM

Most headwear I would associate with entertainment seems to be ruled out by previous questions:

• a helmet is a kind of hat in my opinion, so whether worn for sport or something else that's out
• a headdress/crown/feathery thing I would probably count as a hat and also as decorative
• a microphone fits everything, except that I should think most microphones are primarily mineral content.
• a mask seems to fit everything, although it is often decorative, but it need not be. So I'll ask:

20) Is it a mask?

Re: Animal, Vegetable or Mineral?
Posted by: EgonSpengler (---.zone6.bethere.co.uk)
Date: September 07, 2010 07:26AM

00) May be of vegetable or animal origin. May have some small mineral content.
01) Does it smell? No.
02) Is it a sliced loaf? No.
03) Is it edible? No.
04) IS it bigger than a breadbox? Some yes, some no.
05) Would Mrs Edith Gumbridge (Housewife, Retired, of Swinestown) be surprised to find her nine year old niece Maggie had brought one home from school in her schoolbag? Definitely yes.
06) Is it found in nature? No.
07) Do they have moving parts? I would say yes.
08) Does it make noise during normal use? No.
09) Does one wear it (on the body)? Yes.
10) Item of clothing? No.
11) A bag or pack or some sort? No.
12) Would I expect to see more people wearing it here in New Zealand than in a small Welsh village? No.
13) Is it jewelry/decorative? No, used in the line of work.
14) Does it contain paper? I would imagine not.
15) Is it more likely to be worn by males? In the beginning yes, and probably still now.
16) Is it a harness of some sort? No.
17) Is it worn on the head? Yes.
18) Is it a hat? No.
19) Is it used to designate one's function or importance? No.
20) Is it a mask? No, it is a Muppet.

Re: Animal, Vegetable or Mineral?
Posted by: delacuesta (---.g-star.com)
Date: September 07, 2010 09:53AM

Good show (in both meanings).

Your turn once more, ES.

Re: Animal, Vegetable or Mineral?
Posted by: EgonSpengler (---.is.nottingham.ac.uk)
Date: September 07, 2010 10:29AM

00) The example in front of me is ultimately vegetable in origin.

I use the term ultimately perhaps incorrectly. To trace back truly ultimately we would nothing is animal, vegetable or mineral in origin but merely generated from cosmic froth.

Re: Animal, Vegetable or Mineral?
Posted by: delacuesta (---.g-star.com)
Date: September 07, 2010 02:06PM

Is it edible?

Re: Animal, Vegetable or Mineral?
Posted by: EgonSpengler (---.zone6.bethere.co.uk)
Date: September 07, 2010 02:39PM

00) The example in front of me is ultimately vegetable in origin.
01) Edible? No.

Re: Animal, Vegetable or Mineral?
Posted by: MuseSusan (---.nycap.res.rr.com)
Date: September 07, 2010 04:19PM

I think the rest of us have been interpreting it in the same way you are. While everything is ultimately astral in origin, some things have gone through a period of being plant (or fungus) matter, others have most recently been animal matter, and some have not. (I wonder how we should rate things like petroleum and coal?)

Is it wearable?

Re: Animal, Vegetable or Mineral?
Posted by: SkidMarks (---.197.188.93.threembb.co.uk)
Date: September 07, 2010 05:29PM

As I remember the old game petroleum would be vegetable & animal, coal, vegetable, but how anyone else would interpret them.........

Re: Animal, Vegetable or Mineral?
Posted by: delacuesta (---.adsl.xs4all.nl)
Date: September 07, 2010 05:30PM

Dangerous question, as wearable is open to multiple interpretations.

<... how we should rate things like petroleum and coal? That depends on the theory you adhere to. The traditional idea that they derive from compressed plants means that they are ultimately vegetable, An alternative theory says they are products from inner earth processes, and thus fully mineral. Common sense would call them mineral anyway because they are mined for, the vegetable link being lost.>

Re: Animal, Vegetable or Mineral?
Posted by: SkidMarks (---.197.188.93.threembb.co.uk)
Date: September 07, 2010 05:46PM

As the prevalent theory is that petroleum is of biological origin, common sense would suggest vegetable and/or animal. (Yes I do know about the theory of abiogenic production of oil, but I don't recall seeing much in the way of scientific evidence).

Coal is similar, but I would suggest that far more people assume a fossil plant orgin than anything else. I am not what the connection between "mined" and mineral might be. Some minerals are mined many are not. Visit the jam butty mines of Liverpool or the treacle mines of Ankh-Morpork for examples of non-mineral mining:)

Re: Animal, Vegetable or Mineral?
Posted by: delacuesta (---.adsl.xs4all.nl)
Date: September 07, 2010 06:06PM

The word mineral means (or at least has meant) mining product, or having a mining origin.
Clearly there are minerals that come and go without mining, but that is not the point.

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